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« Reply #7775 on: March 06, 2017, 11:00:35 PM »

Then it would seem to boil down to this: Do not call it a 1947 First release poster in the bold red title, and then speak about it possibly being a later RR down in the fine print.

Since this poster seems to be a bit of a mystery, shouldnt it be titled accordingly, rather than calling it something it might not be? There's no harm in that.

You'd better tell HA and Christie's then too!  They both commonly list non-map-backed posters as first release also.




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« Reply #7776 on: March 06, 2017, 11:04:22 PM »
You'd better tell HA and Christie's then too!  They both commonly list non-map-backed posters as first release also.

size
it's the wrong size

also, the 'Joey Defense' isn't a defense

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« Reply #7777 on: March 06, 2017, 11:20:10 PM »
You'd better tell HA and Christie's then too!  They both commonly list non-map-backed posters as first release also.

If HA or Christies advertised something similar that was coming up for auction, and it was seen by me or anyone else and pointed out or discussed for the same reasons, that would be a good and beneficial thing, as welll, especially for anyone that might be considering bidding on it.

Plus, I'm quite sure that both of these auction houses would appreciate being alerted to that fact.


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« Reply #7778 on: March 06, 2017, 11:26:46 PM »
Seriously, if any one has info to share on this poster I'd love to hear it.  I really do wish there was more certainty surrounding this poster.  In my experience though, regardless of who is selling, sizes have varied pretty widely on nearly every copy sold:

https://movieposters.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=54+790+231&Nty=1&Ntt=casablanca+belgian&ic4=ArchiveTab-071515
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/searchresults.aspx?&searchtype=p&action=search&searchFrom=header&lid=1&entry=casablanca%20belgian
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/CASABLANCA%2520%2528%252742%2529/country/Belgian/archive.html

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« Reply #7779 on: March 06, 2017, 11:33:11 PM »
I'm sure everyone would like a definitive answer, so when someone is bidding close to $1000.00 for something that is presented with 2 different sets of descriptive information (as well as a warning Not to bid if unsure), then an item such as this should be described AND titled appropriately, imo.

And it has been offered these times in the past as well, all with the same warning or alert Not to bid if unsure, even though they are all titled and called Belgian first releases from 1947:

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/5208615.html

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/13488552.html

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/9334056.html
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« Reply #7780 on: March 06, 2017, 11:34:22 PM »
If HA or Christies advertised something similar that was coming up for auction, and it was seen by me or anyone else and pointed out or discussed for the same reasons, that would be a good and beneficial thing, as welll, especially for anyone that might be considering bidding on it.

Plus, I'm quite sure that both of these auction houses would appreciate being alerted to that fact.

yes, definitely - except we've been here before with this exact title/poster before.
where was the lesson learned?


Seriously, if any one has info to share on this poster I'd love to hear it.  I really do wish there was more certainty surrounding this poster.  In my experience though, regardless of who is selling, sizes have varied pretty widely on nearly every copy sold:

https://movieposters.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=54+790+231&Nty=1&Ntt=casablanca+belgian&ic4=ArchiveTab-071515
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/searchresults.aspx?&searchtype=p&action=search&searchFrom=header&lid=1&entry=casablanca%20belgian
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/CASABLANCA%2520%2528%252742%2529/country/Belgian/archive.html

but if you look by date sort with HA, it's obvious they changed their opinion (without changing history aka sanitizing their site)

but look Matt - there is a simple rule: if you don't know what it is, yuo don't know what it is and need to find out exactly what it is before you say "this is what it is"

no amount of disclaimer would get the approval of anyone if it was at HA, MPB, MPE, Ebay, Christies, the British or French auction houses etc.


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« Reply #7781 on: March 06, 2017, 11:57:43 PM »
I just know I've done my research as best as I could figure.  Here is what I ended up with...


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« Reply #7782 on: March 07, 2017, 12:01:31 AM »
that was an ebay bargain. the map probably makes it hard to restore though

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« Reply #7783 on: March 07, 2017, 12:07:46 AM »
Don't think I'll ever restore it on a backing (paper or linen)... but I might press it flat and sandwich it between acrylic.  I will probably also print up a border and the missing bits and float the original just barely in the middle.  Should be a cool presentation.  Been meaning to do it for years now though and still haven't found the time :)

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« Reply #7784 on: March 07, 2017, 12:24:21 AM »
Don't think I'll ever restore it on a backing (paper or linen)... but I might press it flat and sandwich it between acrylic.  I will probably also print up a border and the missing bits and float the original just barely in the middle.  Should be a cool presentation.  Been meaning to do it for years now though and still haven't found the time :)

sounds like the right idea to me.....

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« Reply #7785 on: March 07, 2017, 11:51:06 AM »
There's really not a lot missing -- the corner is the obvious part because the angle of the photo, but it's not a hard fix. The only other missing art is about an 1" at the top of the image that is mostly made up of some Warner Bro's text and bogart's credit, and then a tiny -- if any -- sliver along the right.

Does anyone know if it's possible to back a poster on a transparent substrate (i.e. not linen or paper)?  I seem to recall Dario playing around that a few years ago.  Has anyone seen something like this done?  It would be awesome if the front of the poster could have the missing bits and borders patched in while the back would look something like this:



 

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« Reply #7786 on: March 07, 2017, 12:03:50 PM »
There's really not a lot missing -- the corner is the obvious part because the angle of the photo, but it's not a hard fix. The only other missing art is about an 1" at the top of the image that is mostly made up of some Warner Bro's text and bogart's credit, and then a tiny -- if any -- sliver along the right.

Does anyone know if it's possible to back a poster on a transparent substrate (i.e. not linen or paper)?  I seem to recall Dario playing around that a few years ago.  Has anyone seen something like this done?  It would be awesome if the front of the poster could have the missing bits and borders patched in while the back would look something like this:



Dario was trying with mylar I think for double sided posters...

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« Reply #7787 on: March 07, 2017, 12:13:53 PM »
Alternatively you could back it on something like this



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« Reply #7788 on: March 07, 2017, 12:15:56 PM »
yes, definitely - except we've been here before with this exact title/poster before.
where was the lesson learned?


but if you look by date sort with HA, it's obvious they changed their opinion (without changing history aka sanitizing their site)

but look Matt - there is a simple rule: if you don't know what it is, yuo don't know what it is and need to find out exactly what it is before you say "this is what it is"

no amount of disclaimer would get the approval of anyone if it was at HA, MPB, MPE, Ebay, Christies, the British or French auction houses etc.


This really seems the simple way to deal with this or (or any) poster where there might be a question.

Either keep it from the auction block, or present it with what is known (or not), without attributing any "hard" facts about it, when those facts aren't known for sure. As was mentioned earlier - the dating/release of this poster seems hard to pin down, what with talk of later RR using the same art (as many RR Belgians have been created with). And not knowing for certain isnt a bad thing at all. Just be clear on that point -- was my point.

Ultimately, that's what caught my eye: the wording in the title vs the wording used further down in the description. And I thought it worthwhile to ask about, as we arent talking a 10 dollar poster here. Hopefully, the one man with the answers will chime in, at some point.
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« Reply #7789 on: March 07, 2017, 05:02:42 PM »
I like the way Vick thinks...    :D
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« Reply #7790 on: March 07, 2017, 05:22:06 PM »
I like the way Vick thinks...    :D

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« Reply #7791 on: March 18, 2017, 04:43:53 PM »
Pretty rad Japanese B1, with the silhouettes of these Bond babes, and the early 80s neon colors.




http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n205268112


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« Reply #7792 on: March 20, 2017, 02:18:22 PM »
Cool colors, there, B.

What makes this a Japanese poster? it looks to be entirely in English. Or is it a possible export?

As compared to these B1s:

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/OCTOPUSSY/tag/nation%253AJapan/tag/xtype%253AJapanese%2520B1%2520poster/archive.html
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« Reply #7793 on: March 20, 2017, 03:12:28 PM »
Good question.  I was just going from the seller's description.  It would be cool if any Bond and/or Japanese experts would chime in.


He/she has several other Bond posters, that appear to be legit theater releases.

http://sellinglist.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/user/meiryo035

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« Reply #7794 on: March 20, 2017, 03:18:39 PM »
it could be a Japanese export poster, or even one of those non-theatre Japanese posters. Is there an Eirin mark?

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« Reply #7795 on: March 20, 2017, 08:30:37 PM »
Just took a quick look at the listing, the seller says that this poster was displayed in a theater about 6 months before the movie was released.  Goes on to say "poster is very rare, not many printed, not many in circulation "etc....

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« Reply #7796 on: March 21, 2017, 10:10:55 AM »
Just took a quick look at the listing, the seller says that this poster was displayed in a theater about 6 months before the movie was released.  Goes on to say "poster is very rare, not many printed, not many in circulation "etc....

Sellers say a lot of things.  Take this with a very large grain of salt unless you can find independent confirmation.
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« Reply #7797 on: March 21, 2017, 10:19:59 AM »
Just took a quick look at the listing, the seller says that this poster was displayed in a theater about 6 months before the movie was released.  Goes on to say "poster is very rare, not many printed, not many in circulation "etc....

Sellers say a lot of things.  Take this with a very large grain of salt unless you can find independent confirmation.
Do an image search on google.  I found these
http://www.moviepostershop.com/octopussy-movie-poster-1983/AD6984
http://www.scifi-movies.com/english/poster-0003909-5-octopussy-1983.htm
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« Reply #7798 on: March 21, 2017, 02:08:52 PM »
Cool colors, there, B.

What makes this a Japanese poster? it looks to be entirely in English. Or is it a possible export?


Why would the Japanese make an export poster of an English movie? Where are they exporting it to?

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« Reply #7799 on: March 21, 2017, 02:20:24 PM »
Why would the Japanese make an export poster of an English movie? Where are they exporting it to?

I had that same question... but i was also basing it on the way these 4 Thai posters were described. They are called Thai, but totally printed in English, are not the usual size of a Thai poster and described as exports made for English speaking countries. (Why would Thailand be doing this, too?)

I didnt quite get it either, but that was the basis of my question on the Bond poster mentioned above.

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/7003416.html

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/3807126.html

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/archiveitem/10534206.html



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