I suggest that you retire both existing auction threads and start a new "Auction Discussion" thread with a specific directive to use common sense - and perhaps extreme caution - when discussing pending auctions.
Mel, while I agree with you for the most part, I do not agree with this statement in it's entirety.
You should be able to talk as you wish without any member getting angry regardless of subject, and that is the core issue. As I said earlier, this is the only board I have ever heard of such a thought - to not post about current auctions - and the bottom line is that it is a selfish perspective that it should be any other way. I don't care if anyone outs an auction I'm interested in. I actually start with a belief that anyone interested is going to see the item anyway and if talking about it increases my chances of losing - I DON'T CARE. I still will only bid what I want to bid - win or lose.
a few months back I was the underbidder on the Spies 1sh that Heritage sold.. My bid was something along the lines of $22k. The poster got loads of chat on MoPo before auction and I also commented on it. It was a great poster and because it is the only one known to exist, the likelihood is that I will never own a copy now as the winning bidder has massively deep pockets and will never sell (it will be institutionalized). That's life. Move on! It affects me not.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I won't attack anyone because they don't agree with me, which is unfortunately the way that Carson decided to go. Too bad for him. The biggest mistake he made of course is that he had no ammunition in his bag to try to make me change my mind. His single argument is "why can't you wait 5 days". If he was a on a jury in a trial, he wouldn't be able to convince any opposing juror to change their mind as he either doesn't have the skills to do so, or he doesn't understand how to. In any case, if anything, his attitude only makes we want to out anything I may think he wants to buy, not the opposite.
What is really foolish though is this: how many times has anything been outed on this forum?
I can only think of 2 and I never outed anything - yet, which makes the whole discussion something of a cannard. The other fact that he had himself done so in the past (making him 50% of the outters) on something he had no interest in, now the fear that what he wants may be outed in the future make shim change his belief, which is one more reason that his position on the issue becomes less meaningful to others. "If it affects you.. who cares. If it affects me.. hey, that's a crime". It is a duplicitous position.
Thankfully, Holiday sees no justification in Carson's position and his poll becomes meaningless by that one point.
Dale.. you point to someone being edited by his editor at a newspaper to exemplify that there is no true "Freedom of Speech". That is also a cannard. A reporter gets paid for his words. His editor almost always tells him what issue to chase and edits according to information needed, space issues within the paper and philosophical issues of the newspaper itself (if any). But the editor does not change the article for capricious reasons - or at least, he isn't supposed to. It is doubtful that any NYT reporter will have his article carried by Fox, and the reverse is probably also true for the most part. But what cannot happen is that no reader can tell the newspaper what to print or not print and therein lay the freedom.
Also, anyone who wishes to stand on a soapbox in the park can say whatever he wishes as long as he/she does not go afoul of law. A KKK member can espouse his hate just as a KKK opponent can espouse his opposing view and while people in the park can certainly scream at the KKK guy to get outta town, they have no legal right to make him stop as long as he stays within the law.
Here on allposterforum, it is not the members who choose what cannot be said. It is the owner who sets the laws and we have so far heard the owner's position that such speech will not be prohibited because in his belief - it is indeed censorship and to be sure, it's censorship of the worst kind - self interested censorship that does no purpose for the members at large.
One more point: the intent of any forum such as this is to promote open speech, not hinder it. It is to help educate and inform it's members of past, current and future events. While outing an auction may be onerous to some, it is equally beneficial to others and why should any one group have a greater weight in determining what is good or bad? To be sure, allposterforum is not a democracy - it is a dictatorship (with Holiday and Thierry being Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos. Though I refuse to identify which is which
) and no one has to be a citizen of this state. You can choose to be a member or you can choose not as an individual and that is the end of any particular freedom unless the dictator dictates different
that said.. has anyone here seen the Lost in Translation listing on fleaBay?
or how about the Harry Potter lenticulars?
I have no interest in them and maybe somene of the rest of our fine group does
