As some people know, I like my Disney Daybills and was saddened to see some person being taken to the cleaners with this sale - a $30 poster selling for $350
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PETER-PAN-Walt-Disney-1969-Rare-Original-Vintage-Daybill-Movie-Poster-Print-/261415575023?pt=AU_Movie_Memorabilia&hash=item3cdd951def&_uhb=1 worse still (although no bidder), there was this:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PETER-PAN-Walt-Disney-1969-Very-Rare-Original-Vintage-DB-Movie-Poster-/321345907486?pt=AU_Movie_Memorabilia&hash=item4ad1b56b1e&_uhb=1DID YOU SPOT THE PROBLEM? No, it’s not just that both sellers are using that oft abused word 'rare', but both are stating the date is 1969...for different posters! Someone has got it wrong...well here’s what I think – both are wrong
(and with that statement, the cat is amongst the pigeons now…)As I understand it, the G Rating did not come in to effect until 1971 implemented by the NEWLY formed Australian Classification Board (formed in 1970) - the new ratings system implementation would be effective 15 November 1971.
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Here's a press release 15 October 1971:
State Ministers agreed yesterday that the 'R'classification for films would begin to take effect on November 15.
Under this system, people between the ages of six and 18 will be legally excluded from cinemas exhibiting 'R' certificate films. This was announced in Canberra by the Minister for Customs and Excise, Mr Chipp, who was ihc chairman of a meeting on censorship held with six State ministers.
Mr Chipp said that there would also be three advisory classifications for films: (G) general exhibition; (NRC) not recommended for children; and (M) for mature audiences.---------------
Unless I am mistaken, that means you can't have a poster dated 1969 if the G Rating that is printed on it was not in effect until 1971. So then I did more checking…
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/PETER%2520PAN%2520%2528%252753%2529/type/Aust%2520daybill/archive.htmlUnfortunately,
almost every single one of the posters that are dated on this page as R60s, R69 is dating it wrong. In fact
there are mistakes dating almost every poster on that page with
different designs dated with the same date AND/OR
the same design dated with different dates!
Also wrong date is stated here:
http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=59073&lotNo=53302Now I can see why some are dating this poster R69:
The above design is pretty much based on the US Insert of 1969, it seems someone went the easy route, did not check and simply called the Daybill an R69 poster – problem is the G Rating didn’t come in until after 1971, so there is no way it could be from 1969, right? For Daybill collectors, we know that dating an Australian poster based on USA release dates is fraught with danger – there is plenty of evidence where the date of a release (or release) of a movie was not the same date as the USA, in fact often Australia would re-release movies (ergo posters) much more frequently than the USA, so unless you know 100%, stop dating it the same as the USA releases/re-releases!
While researching I found some ads for Peter Pan in 1974, here’s a newspaper advert from 1974, please note two things – (a) the tagline used and (b) the use of Tinkerbell in the advert same as the poster (she is not seen on the other design poster)
So without better evidence I am calling the Peter Pan Daybill poster above, R74.
Which now brings us to the next poster which I now believe is also NOT R69 and is NOT R74, so when was it?
I am still trying to establish exactly when there was a season with the movie after 1974 (and cross checking) but what I currently understand is that the tagline “It Will Live In Your Heart Forever!” was not used in the USA after 1982, so there is some logic that the same applies in Australia, so at this stage one could draw the conclusion that the poster is pre-1982 and post 1974.
Exciting isn't it? More soon…