Fake Movie Poster Sellers Hall of Shame on MPC

[brude]

I made the mistake of buying one of those 'repaired' LOTR posters back in the day.
That explains why it stank of muscatel.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Added Rick Toler D/B/A Rokmodataol to the MPC Fake Sellers Hall of Shame.  

My favorite - what a comical lie - "I have taken them from theaters world wide...."



Praise for the Professor!

[Zorba]

Added Rick Toler D/B/A Rokmodataol to the MPC Fake Sellers Hall of Shame.  

His induction is very well earned.

[CSM]

That little blurb on the blue Star Wars is classic!  Thanks for the chuckle Mel...

[Posterodyssey]

Add "rokmodataol' to the list.Rick,has been known to delve in minty whites.

Loce,does have another ebay id.Either his or his buddy,Ed's.I can't recall what it is.I'm thinking 'king of posters' for some reason.I can't say for sure.Have to research that somehow.

Anthony

ahhh,now I know why I thought that.'King of posters' is Loce's ebay store.

Anthony

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Got a message from my favorite copyright criminal:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Subject: Hall of Shame
To: administrator@moviepostercollectors.com


Hi Mel ,
          I just wanted to drop you a line thanking you for putting me first on your hall of shame . I always strive to be #1 at anything I do . Please let me know if you would like a photo to go along with it so people can cross the street when they see me coming in person .
         May the Lord smile on you each & every day .
Sincerely ,
Thomas Loce

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

And another one from Bradburied:

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Randy Poling <bradburied@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sirs,   

Please remove my name from you Hall of Shame for fake movie poster sellers.  I help many buyers every year tell the difference between real and reprint posters.  It can be tough over the last 20 years but nobody knows the ones better than me from 70's and 80's.  Have I sold a couple from the past 20 years as original that are not, probably, but not on purpose, and always a refund id I found out or returned.

You have no right to put my name in big print without knowing me at all.  It appears it is just only for the reason that I have the Star Wars A and Star Wars C reprint of still to this day unknown  (hair and all)  origin that no one is sure of.   I state this in the listing, exactly what they are, a nice poster probably from original plates with no guarantees, and they are nice looking posters and priced accordingly and many people are happy with this.  Pretty fair I would say. NO WHERE IN MY LISTING OR DESCRIPTION DO I SAY THEY ARE ORIGINAL.AS STATED BY YOU. your listing  I cut and pasted below.  Please be fair and remove this. slanderous listing.

This is our family full time business and only source of income and we try our best.

Sincerely,  Randy Poling

[CSM]

I hope you will leave them both in the Hall Mel.

And as for Loce ask him for a Professor Powers signed photo to really enshrine him in the Hall!

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

My response to Loce:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>

For a copyright criminal and a fraud, you're a funny guy Tom.

You're a criminal under the federal copyright law because you annually sell more than $1,000 of unauthorized copies of copyrighted movie posters:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#506

The penalty for each infringing fake sale ranges up to $150,000:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#504

Cross your fingers the copyright owners don't get wind of your shenanigans.  Perhaps you're aware that Disney and Fox sued MovieGoods for the same copyright fraud you're been perpetrating.

You've also been violating the NY Deceptive Trade Practices Act:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/GBS/22-A/349

Cross your fingers your customers don't start a class action against you for fraud.

Just out of curiosity, who prints all that fake junk you sell?  Do you take the digital images down to Kinko's or do you have suppliers?

P.S. I'm publishing your emails on the forums:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4170.0.html

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

My response to Bradburied:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame listing not warranted
To: Randy Poling <bradburied@gmail.com>

Slander is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement.

Every word on the MPC Hall of Shame is absolutely true and not slanderous.

You falsely claim the origin of the Star Wars posters is "unknown."

There is no question they are unauthorized bootlegs.   

Pete Vilmer, the author of The Star Wars Poster Book, an employee of Lucasfilm, and perhaps the world's foremost expert on Star Wars posters, says they are "misleading bootlegs" and are part of the "dark side" of the hobby.  See page 289 of the Star Wars Poster Book.

I clearly state on MPC that "most" of your posters are original.  I'll certainly consider dropping you from the Hall of Shame if and when you stop selling bootlegs as originals.

P.S. I'm publishing your email and my response:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,4170.msg83283.html

[Silhouette]

Your site was recently mentioned in MoPo so I guess you stirred the hornet's nest. 

Congrats on your continued efforts to remove or at the least, alert, collectors and interested parties in this hobby to the unscrupulous traders that unfortunately continue to exist within.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Loce goin' loco!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>

Since we’re all about disclosure , would you be a peach and let myself & the forum know your law office’s address & phone # . I’d love to whisper my secrets to you in person .  By the way that is a lovely picture of you in front of the Hall of Justice . You cut a dashing figure when your fighting  crime . I’m getting all warm just thinking about it .
Are you doing anything after work tonight . How about getting together for a few drinks?
I’m really quite surprised you have all this time on your hands being a lawyer and all . I guess that’s just how special you are , you fuzzy wuzzy bear you . You’re #1 fan – Tom Loce

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>

By the way – What exactly are your credentials as a movie poster authenticator ?
How many years have you been in the business ?
How many studio reps do you have contact with ?
Are there any hard cold facts about fake posters you can tell me that are backed up by actual studio representatives and not just based on conjecture ?
Please be very specific and feel free to add any other information you may have to back up your website . As we all know anyone can put together a website . What makes you’re the real deal ?
I have a feeling this one won’t end up on the forum.

[CJ138]

Your reply should be:

Dear Tom:
"I do not take shit from a man who sports a ponytail."

[Silhouette]

Just noticed his email addy. I guess Time Warner continue not to care about who they are associated with or to.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mel <alphamel1968@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame
To: Thomas Loce <tloce1@rochester.rr.com>

Tom, all your emails have gone up on MPC and the forum. As pleasant a chap as you are, I'm afraid I'll have to insist that we continue this conversation in public.  Please feel free to join APF by following these instructions:

http://www.allposterforum.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg38228.html#msg38228

I'm sure we'd all love to hear where and how you get your endless supply of comically-fake single-sided posters with lots of fuzzy text and printed on erratically-cropped luster paper (just like you find at your local Kinko's, what a shock!) 

[brude]

"You mean, you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll try and kill each other like civilized people?"

Still think you need to go back to the Dread Pirate avatar, Mel.
Much more fitting for your ongoing endeavors.

BTW, I am in Rochester 2-3 times a week if you need me to pick anything up.
 

[CSM]

This is shaping up to be a fun episode!   

[Zorba]

This is shaping up to be a fun episode!   

+1

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

He will never show up here. He's a pariah on these boards and nobody here will buy from him, so why would he? He stays in business primarily from fleecing newbies who don't join these forums (or even know they exist).

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Here's a link to Loce's lawsuit against Time Warner.

The guy is totally first class.  Read this section from the opinion:

B. The Rejected LWS Programs

In 1997, LWS [LIFE WITHOUT SHAME, Loce's company] submitted to Time Warner three episodes of "Life Without Shame," whose rejection by Time Warner prompted the present lawsuit. In January 1997, LWS submitted to TW Syracuse an episode entitled "The Best of Lookers." The program was filmed at a Syracuse adult club called "Lookers" and contained, inter alia, scenes of women dancing topless, fondling their breasts, pressing their breasts against customers' faces, or simulating acts of sex and masturbation. The episode also contained advertisements for various other nude and topless dance clubs in Syracuse, as well as advertisements for an "escort service" promising "we make house and hotel calls." One or more of the commercials showed women topless, contained lines such as "Bring your hard dicks down here," and depicted a topless woman performing a "lap dance" on Richter.

Several officials of TW Syracuse, including the division's president, reviewed "The Best of Lookers" and concluded that the program was indecent within the meaning of Time Warner's Indecency Policy. TW Syracuse notified plaintiffs that the episode violated the Policy and would not be transmitted. The letter also stated that, pursuant to the suspension provisions, plaintiffs would be prohibited from submitting new material to TW Syracuse for six months.

In February 1997, plaintiffs, no longer able to submit programs to TW Syracuse, submitted to TW Rochester a program entitled "A Tribute to Violence." The program contained numerous real-life scenes of violence and brutality, such as a man being devoured by lions, with his family watching helplessly, and a man committing suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. The episode also contained excerpts from graphically violent motion pictures, such as a Kung Fu scene in which a man with no arms fights a man with no legs, and a scene from a film called "The Gore Gore Girls" in which a man approaches a woman from behind, slits her throat, bends her torso over a table, and beats her buttocks with a meat tenderizer until they are covered with blood. Neither the "A Tribute to Violence" episode nor its accompanying advertisements showed women topless; on the tape, Richter and Loce, seeking to emphasize to their intended audience that Time Warner aired shows depicting carnage and violence but refused to show naked breasts, announced that their purpose was to present a show that was deeply offensive but that did not violate the Indecency Policy because it was free of sexual content.

Despite the latter characterization, the "A Tribute to Violence" tape contained advertisements for adult clubs depicting scantily-clad women and for an escort service; and some of the program content was accompanied by remarks by Loce and Richter having obviously lewd or sexual overtones. For example, the scene depicting the fight between amputees was accompanied by the following exchange between the narrators:

LOCE: We always know you have a thing for amputees.

RICHTER: Oh, amputees are the best. Until you've gone with an amputee, you haven't gone.

LOCE: And you have gone quite far. Right?

RICHTER: With some good women. You know, like I said on a previous show, you know, you don't have to hold the legs back.

And in the scene from "The Gore Gore Girls," the woman whose throat is cut is clad in a partially see-through bikini; her bloodied buttocks are shown; and as she is bent over a table, Loce and Richter, in their narrative, agree that that is their "favorite position of a woman."

[brude]

BTW, I am in Rochester 2-3 times a week if you need me to pick anything up.

He'll know my poster truck when he sees it coming...

[Posterodyssey]

Tom,if you eventually can't resist and make your way on here,if you could please bring me a Charlie burger or one from the Char Pit, I would be in your debt.Just seriously craving this stuff and the burger joints around here blow.A garbage plate isn't out of the question either.

Thanks,
Anthony

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

Will miracles never cease ?  So Loce has a website tloceposters.com with pictures of all his wares .  AMAZINGLY, Loce just happens to have ENDLESS STACKS OF MINTY WHITE COPIES of the most popular posters !  

Here's my favorite (yes, he actually entitled this page "This is page 2, suckers!" - you can't make this stuff up!):





It just goes on and on and on:

[CSM]

Those look like all the minty white inserts

[Posterodyssey]

Yes Mel,he's had them and been selling them for decades.Mostly inserts.That's why he's not such a cool seller.

Anthony