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« on: November 21, 2011, 07:37:08 PM » |
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Just got this in and I can clearly see three fold lines but the paper is not folded under light. Would there be any reason for fold lines to be within the image? Don't want to call it a fake without asking the experts... Any of you Daybillophiles ever seen this?  |
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2011, 09:08:02 PM » |
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Charlie - there are very few rolled daybills.
BUT - when daybills are laid flat for a long time, the fold lines can nearly disappear entirely due to the type of paper used. Daybills are also very forgiving in terms of creases, bends and crinkles if laid flat with some weight.
When you run your fingers over the fold line area you should still perceive a slight ridge.
I highly doubt this is a repro...
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2011, 09:48:24 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 09:58:26 PM » |
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Occasionally you will see copied foldlines. Some bootleg Revenge of the Jedis have them. The Dr. No 1980 re-release one sheet has them because they were copied from a folded poster. But I agree that an obscure daybill would be unlikely to be a repro. How sharp is the text? Any indicia of a digital repro?
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 10:00:41 PM » |
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Occasionally you will see copied foldlines. Some bootleg Revenge of the Jedis have them. The Dr. No 1980 re-release one sheet has them because they were copied from a folded poster. But I agree that an obscure daybill would be unlikely to be a repro. How sharp is the text? Any indicia of a digital repro?
No the printing is fine, there is even deviation in textures. I've found about twenty copies on emovie both daybills and one sheet with the folded lines in the image... http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/search/RUNNING%2520MAN%2520%28%2787%29/archive.html |
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 10:08:18 PM » |
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This is very interesting Charlie!
What are the dimensions?
Seems only the advance has the "fake" foldlines...
If you ever go to NS4 send a quick message to Phil Edwards and see what he has to say.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2011, 10:21:01 PM » |
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This is very interesting Charlie!
What are the dimensions?
Seems only the advance has the "fake" foldlines...
If you ever go to NS4 send a quick message to Phil Edwards and see what he has to say.
Sure will post on NS4. But I also see the fold lines in the other version too. Look right above the lips... |
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2011, 10:26:09 PM » |
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Sure will post on NS4. But I also see the fold lines in the other version too. Look right above the lips...
I meant that the other version actually WAS folded. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2011, 10:31:51 PM » |
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Another possibility is that this poster sat in a stack of folded posters for a long time. I've had a rolled one sheet that exhibited faint foldlines from the front (but no actual creases on the back) after having been pressed for years against a folded poster in a big stack. Do you feel any compression in the paper what so ever? Or are they for sure printed on?
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2011, 10:45:03 PM » |
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I meant that the other version actually WAS folded.
I may not quite understand you yet. But even look at the folded ones and the fold lines are within those images as well. US OS no fold lines in image.  Fold lines in folded other version of Aussie Daybill  Fold line in folded AUS OS.  |
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2011, 10:45:47 PM » |
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Another possibility is that this poster sat in a stack of folded posters for a long time. I've had a rolled one sheet that exhibited faint foldlines from the front (but no actual creases on the back) after having been pressed for years against a folded poster in a big stack. Do you feel any compression in the paper what so ever? Or are they for sure printed on?
I would bet a lot of money that there are no folds; there has to be a memory in the paper... No compression this thing is perfect... |
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2011, 10:53:59 PM » |
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Charlie, I was just going based on Bruce's description. He described the non-advance version as "folded, but has laid flat for a long time". The fold lines also appeared more prominent on the couple I looked at vs. the advance version. What I was trying to say was the non-advance actually was folded whereas the advance was rolled (with apparent "fake fold lines" by utilizing an image of a folded poster).
The Aussie one sheet seems to have the exact same white spot on the bottom fold line at the right as on your advance copy.
I think you might be right in believing an image was used of a folded poster to create the advance (which seems VERY ODD to me but true!)
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2011, 11:42:25 PM » |
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What are the dimensions?
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 06:17:24 PM » |
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I keep my daybills flat and in some cases the fold lines are very hard to distinguish.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2011, 12:13:06 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2011, 04:23:54 AM » |
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Dimensions seem right for this era poster.
While I agree with Rick that when daybills have been stored flat for many many moons, the lines become almost impossible to distinguish, if memory serves correctly, this is a slightly thicker paper stock, if folded at any point, I would expect to see something.
'Tis very odd in deed.
Doubt it would be a fake, why bother on such a title.
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2011, 07:29:59 AM » |
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F-A-K-E!
Dimensions seem right for this era poster.
While I agree with Rick that when daybills have been stored flat for many many moons, the lines become almost impossible to distinguish, if memory serves correctly, this is a slightly thicker paper stock, if folded at any point, I would expect to see something.
'Tis very odd in deed.
Doubt it would be a fake, why bother on such a title.
I am feeling pretty good that it is not a fake with both Aussie OS and DB having the lines in the image. I checked the opening days and there was a whole two months between the US and Aussie openings. The paper used on the US OS is also a matte black and would easily show white if broken. So if they used a folded US OS as an original the white at the bottom is perfectly plausible. But I think the image was also stretched/shrunk some as well... I can't seem to get NS4 to send me my password. Would someone mind posting a link to the topic there...  |
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2011, 07:58:48 AM » |
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I can't seem to get NS4 to send me my password. Would someone mind posting a link to the topic there...
Done! Hope it helps... |
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2011, 08:34:08 AM » |
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There are other examples of this. Most likely, there was a problem getting the art to the Australian printer and, likely because they were on a deadline and did not think it was a big deal, they shot a U.S. one-sheet and they adjusted that art.
But if you truly are unhappy with it (or think it a repro!) then send it back for a full refund.
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2011, 08:49:32 AM » |
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There are other examples of this. Most likely, there was a problem getting the art to the Australian printer and, likely because they were on a deadline and did not think it was a big deal, they shot a U.S. one-sheet and they adjusted that art.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 08:54:10 AM » |
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Yes. I am too lazy to look for them, but I have seen at least 10 examples of this,
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2011, 09:39:48 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2011, 10:24:21 PM » |
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We still need Phil to chime in...
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2011, 10:59:53 PM » |
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We still need Phil to chime in...
I never said ALL the guys at NS4...  |
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