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Autographed posters, defaceing, or an investment??
« on: January 23, 2010, 03:51:12 AM »
I was wondering how you guy's felt about getting a poster signed by one or more of the stars? Myself being into films, and not just collecting posters ( I also collect all film memoribilia including autographs ) find no problem with this. Yet a dealer said to me that I had defaced a poster by getting it signed? and it would not be worth it's true value.  myself I would pay a bit more for a signed poster if I knew they were genuine signatures.

I would say it's all down to personal choice, but I do think it enhances what you have. Here is my "Dawn of the dead" quad signed by the 4 main cast members, Tom Savini, and George Romero. I obtainted all signatures in person.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 06:15:55 AM »
First, very cool poster, Paul!

Second, I'm in the minority. I think signatures enhance a poster since they give you a story to tell along with the poster.  As you say, the problem is genuineness.  Most celebrity signatures are faked, so if you are a purchaser down the line you have no idea if it is real.

For example, I have an excellent OHMSS James Bond poster with the signature of "Albert Brocoli" (the producer/creator of the series) discreetly placed at the bottom. That makes a great story but I have no proof it's a real signature.




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Re: Autographed posters, defaceing, or an investment??
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 07:08:59 AM »
Views are divided but in the world outside these specialist forums I think your view is of the majority Mel.

I am in the “autographs add value” camp – so long as the provenance of the signature can be established to a reasonable degree and other considerations are met. An autograph individualises a mass produced product. For the 5% of autographs I did not personally obtain I considered the personal account of how the poster came to be signed more important than say a photograph. Of course, the appearance of the autograph itself is of importance but I do not have the knowledge to know how a particular person’s autograph changes over time or whether they have abbreviated or long styles of writing. Others do.

The other considerations are:-

The poster is common and inexpensive (less than $100 value say) and is easily replaced.

The autograph(s) is/are of the leading actor(s) or director. I consider “C” list celebrities’ autographs, commonly purchased at conventions, diminish value.

There is no personal dedication. There are exceptions – I think it unlikely you would find a 27 x 41 ET “bike over moon” style that was not dedicated/signed.

The autograph(s) is not at odds with the artwork of the poster – a male star signing an image of a female star is inappropriate - or the age of the poster.

Less is more. One or two carefully positioned and sized autographs in a color of ink compatible with the colors in the poster are preferable. The mass signed items on ebay are to be avoided like the plague – as is most other signed memorabilia found there.

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Re: Autographed posters, defaceing, or an investment??
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 07:22:18 AM »
WOW, That's some add on to the value. I myself would always say autographs add more to the poster, providing they can be proved genuine. I have only met one guy who was dead against it, are there any other members who think this is wrong? 
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 07:57:28 AM »
I have a few books signed by the authors, which are among my most prized possessions, but a signature on a movie poster is a definate NO. It's bad enough with writing on the back which doesn't bleed through, let alone on the front. Stop defacing potential works of art for future generations NOW.....or in the case of 'Avatar' just carry on.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 11:09:44 AM »
Well I quite like some of the writing on the backs of posters, as long as there is no bleed through to the front. It's part of the posters history, and sometimes is very helpful in working out the date of a piece.

I also collect autographs, so it's a bit like combining the two hobbies. I do know where you are coming from with leave it original, but as an obscure example I would pay more for a Frankenstein poster if Karloff had signed it, as you not only have the history of the poster, but the actual star who was in the film has signed it. WOW That's some thought, anyone know if Karloff signed any of the Universal horror posters? 
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 11:28:30 AM »
Autographs… here’s my thoughts on the subject – for what it’s worth…
I do NOT buy autographed posters, regardless of how extensive their pedigree is.  I don’t care about COAs, notarized statements, photos of signings, letters from my mom, pregnancy test results, blah, blah, blah, etc.  If I did not get it personally signed, I don’t want it.  It has no personal meaning for me.

I agree that autographed posters are defaced and I will always opt for a clean poster over one that is scrawled on by everyone but their mother. I was a commercial artist for years and, movie posters  -- to me – are fine works of commercial art.  They are the ultimate ad.  These posters signed by the entire cast... to me they are ruined.

I have one autographed movie poster – Dragonslayer --  because it was signed by the poster artist himself -- Jeff Jones -- after we had become friends.  He signed it for me at his studio one afternoon while he was reviewing my portfolio.  I grabbed a one sheet and an insert and brought it with me.  He asked me for the insert because Paramount/Disney had never even offered him a copy of his own work (scumbags).  He preferred the smaller size and he now owns mine.  I also brought some comic books with me – issues 1-10 of Swamp Thing – because Jeff was good friends with Bernie Wrightson, who lived nearby.  This was upstate New York (at the time) a veritable ‘who’s who’ hotbed of the world’s greatest comic artists.

The reason I mention Wrightson (one of favorite all-time artists) is that after Jeff reviewed my folio, he called Bernie to see if that madman was busy and wanted a look.  Bernie invited me over to his studio where I spent the remainder of the day.  I knew I had the books with me and when I was ready to leave, he offered me a signed piece of art.  I told him that I had brought Swamp Thing 1-10 with me and they were amongst my favorite comics – would he sign them?

Of course, and he did.  Now, take note here.  Where did HE sign them?  As he pulled them out of their plastic bags, he flipped them open to page one and autographed each on the bottom  below the indicia.  I asked him why he didn’t sign the covers.  He said something to the fact that signing the cover was equivalent to DEFACING the book.

Now, I don’t begrudge those who seek autographs or buy posters with multiple signatures.  That’s their thing.  But I can’t help wondering how many of them are doing it because they are speculators whose objective is re-sale.  If I’ve said it once, I’ll say it a million times – speculators ruin every hobby they get involved in.  If you buy a poster only because you think it will be worth 100x it’s current value, then you have no business collecting. True collecting is done by those who love the hobby, not by those who looking to take advantage of the hobbyist.  I want one of those Ansin Wolf Mans, but the fucking speculators are flipping them all over Ebay right now, damn their arses.

I have many, many autographed items that I will never sell and I have instructed my children to do just that.  Why, because they are personal memories from ME – not some ‘authenticated’ bullshit bought from a faceless dealer.   I have a ‘Suspiria’ video poster signed by Dario Argento while I showed him the sights and sounds of Las Vegas in 1987 – he told me personally that this particular design was the finest he had seen produced for ANY of his movies.  I have an FJA autographed copy of the ‘Frankenscience Monster’ after Forrest J. Ackerman and I finished  an extensive interview.  Traci Lords personalized her first legitimate calendar for me.  Edward “Buzz” Aldrin signed a color 8x10 moon walk photo for me – and shed a tear while doing it.  Vincent Price sent me an autographed photo when I sent him a get well card on his death bed. It goes on and on.

What I’m trying to get at with all this rambling is just this – what good is an autograph if you didn’t get it yourself.  The backstory – and what that means to my kids – is priceless.

An interesting sidebar… when I worked at Hollywood Entertainment on the Left Coast, every “exec” in the building had autographed posters inside and outside their offices.  When I first saw them, I was dazzled.  Then – after polite questions – I learned that they were all procured on Ebay.  None of these dudes had ever met anyone whose sig was on their posters.  I was dumbfounded.  Where is the “value” in that? What they were doing was having a competition – who had the coolest – and the most -- signed posters.  Give me a break.

In parting, here's a Gorgon Video poster personalized by Michael Berryman (remember him?).  I spent time with him and Gorgon's execs in Vegas.  Now there's another backstory for another day..



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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 01:38:11 PM »
just a thought....if you need an autograph get them to tatoo it and then it is always personal, just leave the paper alone......total defacement of art history..... in years to come people will look at 'scooby doo duz 69' and think why did freddie prinze jnr have to write his fucking scrawl all over it.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 04:00:39 PM »
autographs on anything are a personal issue.. Brude talked about Wrightson.. I used to own 3 Frankenstein plates (yes Brude, originals.. for years I was top man in comic art). I had Berni sign all three, including the one that was previously autographed and inscribed to someone else. As a matter of fact, I used to have artists sign all kinds of art that I used to or still have. Al Williamson inscribed an EC story from Valor #2 that I still have. Joe Kubert autographed the Barve and Bold #36 cover I used to own.. etc.

the Frankenstein plate that was inscribed to someone else didn't bother me..

I just bought from fleaBay a 3 sheet & lobby card set from Queen of the Yukon for my gambling collection. All 9 pieces have been autographed by the daughter of Jack London (the author). Would I rather they weren't signed by her? Yes, but they are so it doesn't matter and it isn't something I'll let my panties get in a bunch over

I also have some Gene Andrewski cards that are inscribed to him (I had met him once or twice in Oklahoma)

I do think that obtrusive signatures are bothersome however...

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 05:05:32 PM »
Hey, Rich, that Frankenstein plate might've been the one he started for me.  No kidding.  As he was inscribing it, I pulled out the Swamp Things and as he opened them up, we started discussing each issue.  Later, when I left, I realized that I had left the Frankenstein plate behind -- incomplete.  I called him and he said he'd hold it for me next time I was in the area.  Next time never came. This was 1983.  That would be some coincidence wouldn't it?

Bernie is one of the all-time greats.  I understand that he now lives out west.  The Woodstock region where he lived for many years will never be the same without him.  Little did I know, that my aunt had a place just a few miles away from him out in the Catskills.  When we would drive to the dump, I noticed a mailbox in front of a small gothic house on one of the backroads we would travel.  The mailbox said "Tyrannosaurus Press."  I am sure you remember that name. 

I couldn't believe my eyes when Jeff gave me directions to Bernie's studio and I pulled up in front of the T-Press mailbox and put two-and-two together.... Duuuhhhh...

If I had investigated my aunt's rural neighborhood a little better, I would have learned that Barry Smith, Mike Kaluta, Jim Starlin and many others all lived a 'stone's throw' away.

The afternoon that I spent with Bernie, he was working on "Hooky," a Spider Man graphic novel (I believe the first from Marvel).  He had just bought his first VCR and two movies -- Dragonslayer and John Carpenter's The Thing and was totally enamored with both.  He showed me the early pencils on Hooky and how he had deviated from the script so as to incorporate the fantastic inspiration he was getting from those films.  If anyone has the book, flip through and you'll see the influence and understand what I am talking about.

Here's a sample I picked up off the net for those unfamiliar with the book... this is a reprint and not the original, but it does have the same wraparound cover...



One last thought in the 'woulda, coulda, shoulda' category:  just before I left his studio, he asked me if I wanted to come out to the house for their Halloween Party.  Stephen King and many other masters of horror were going to be there.  I told him my wife was expecting that week and if she had the baby earlier, maybe I could be there.  The little dude arrived October 28 and I missed the shindig.  Years later, King told me it was one of the most authentic Halloween parties he'd ever attended. Dohhhh (Homer)


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Re: Autographed posters, defaceing, or an investment??
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 05:41:42 PM »
Brude.. unless your name is Joel, it wasn't to.

I think one of teh previous owners was either Joel Thingvall, or Joel in Baltimore whose names escapes me. It was the plate where Frankenstein is looking into teh coffin at the morgue with the lamp from the ceiling that had the figures distorted around it. One of the best plates in the book

a sidenote, when I was 11, Alan Asherman brough Kaluta, Bruce Jones &  Frank Brunner to my house to meet me. Berni was supposed to come, but he couldn't make it. This was just after Web of Horror #1 came out.

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 05:42:26 PM »
Joel Pollock... that's the other collector

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 05:54:23 PM »
Nope, no Joel here. 

Ahh, Web of Horror.  Was truly a cool magazine. Those artists and that era saw a maturing of the art form that was monumental, wasn't it?
Now, at 11 years old, were you a budding young artist?

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 06:25:30 PM »
I co-published Badtime Stories with Ron Barlow in 1972 (I think!). Wrightson did the whole magazine. He did it with us because at that time we were the only people anywhere who would agree to give the artists work back to them. Same with the comics I did for Ditko. It is so sad all those great artists were paid pitifully AND robbed of their work.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 09:35:29 PM »
Autographs… here’s my thoughts on the subject – for what it’s worth…
I do NOT buy autographed posters, regardless of how extensive their pedigree is.  I don’t care about COAs, notarized statements, photos of signings, letters from my mom, pregnancy test results, blah, blah, blah, etc.  If I did not get it personally signed, I don’t want it.  It has no personal meaning for me.

I could not agree more.  Unless a poster has been signed to me, with my name on it, a poster I will keep and treasure because it means something, I do not see the point.  99.9% of signed posters on Ebay are FALSELY signed.  Why own a poster signed by some idiot and his brother down in their basement?  I just don't get it and I never will.  I said it before, but a friend of mine can mimic any signatures to perfection after seeing it once.  Signatures only mean something if they are signed to you.

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 10:26:15 PM »
some of my most prized posessions are autographs

I sold a poster once (20,000 leagues under the sea) and the buyer and I became friends, he was a close frind of Linda Blair, they grew up together as brother and sister, although not related by blood.



I met Christopher Lee once, he came into the shop I work in, scary.








original shooting script from Mark of the Astro Zombies



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But as for posters heres a few









Personally I love them, if I know they are legit, and I know I dont want to sell them.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2010, 10:38:04 PM »
Ari - Those are really neat. Thanks for sharing. It is nice to see awesome things like that.

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2010, 10:42:55 PM »
Anytime, theres more to come. I dont search on the internet to buy, just lucky to meet and know a few of my heros, tghe Mark of the Atsro Zombies script is Ted V Mikels, Brike Stevens and Tura Satana, which I had the pleasure of working with.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 11:15:07 PM »
not a movie poster, but anyways, I did it before.

I was waiting for a friend (someone you all know) and I ran into an Australian Acting legend


David Gulpilil, who, hmm, I guess non aussies would know as the Aboriginal in Crocadile Dundee, more recently in Baz L's Australia. We had a few beers and he signed me this beer coaster, gave me his adress in the norther Teritory, was very interesting.

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 02:35:21 AM »
Ari, your stuff is too cool.  That's exactly what I mean.

If I sounded vitriolic, it's because when I see these auctions for 'signed by x2, x4, x6, etc., etc.,' I immediately see the dude on line at a convention who monopolizes every celebrity's time -- and abuses everyone else's -- by pushing a pile of posters on someone to sign.  This is the same twit who then runs home to the internet looking to separate us from our money.  If you are standing on that line to get something you own autographed -- that's a diff story.  It's the dealer -- with no aspersions to anyone legit who deals with posters -- that ruins the hobby.  Like the pricks who gobbled up Ansin's Wolf Man just so they could gouge true fans of his art.


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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 05:40:50 PM »
Thanks, and Ive never been to a convention, we don't have them here, well not ones I'd been interested in, just lucky chances, or friends, or work related 
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 10:51:12 PM »
Ari, those pieces are astounding.  Now, tell me...Linda Blair wishes you success with your 'poster shop."  Do you own a poster shop?

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 11:10:01 PM »
I went to a convention once, actually a comic convention, to get my French 1 panel signed by Adam West and Lee Meriwether.  I brought in this big linenbacked poster for them and neither of them had seen it before.  Got some nice big autographs and Lee Meriwether did this cool little 'meow meow' with a cat sketch in her dedication.  That was very cool and I will always remember it.

Recently picked up a B1 for Death Proof from a friend in Japan who got Tarantino to sign it when he visited in Tokyo.  That wasn't personal but one step away so it was interesting / fun enough for me to grab it.

The posters where they get 27 people to sign it, even if they are real, have no meaning whatsoever and I just don't get it.  But some do obviously, otherwise there wouldn't be a market for them.

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 11:12:57 PM »
 to Brude, no, I always planned to, I just do market stalls, all the shops in Sydney shut down, so I assume its not feasable, although maybe one day.




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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 02:20:29 PM »
You have some excellent stuff there Ari, you are also selling some really class items. Do you sell on Ebay? I'll have to keep a look out if you do.

I notice some U.S. lobby cards from Revenge of Frankenstein, I have one Francis Matthews owned himself for 25 years, which he signed and gave me. I'll see if I can find it and post it on here.
 
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