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« on: August 04, 2011, 09:33:28 AM » |
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I just bought a Moonraker quad, but when it arrived it only measured 27x40. It is folded, but not trimmed. But it was clearly printed at 27x40... and then folded as the fold goes horiztonally through the center of the poster. If it was printed at 30x40, folded and then trimmed the fold would be higher than the center of the poster. The seller claims they got it from Jerry Ohlinger's store in 1979 when the movie came out and I'm inclined to believe him. The paper and print quality also look spot on. Then, on Tuesday another one popped up at eMovie, although this time for The Thing. http://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=2264145Can any of you quad/Bond experts help me out? Was this a third printing on the presses/paper that UK 1-sheets use? Whats the deal? Thanks! |
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 09:52:22 AM » |
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Hi, Harry! Despite the claim on eMovie that THE THING doesn't appear to have been trimmed, I would suggest that on this occasion, they are mistaken. The correct full-sized 30" x 40" quad clearly shows a larger border above the textline at the top of the poster. Compare this image with the one on eMovie ...  We have never seen an under-sized MOONRAKER. I understand your point about the position of the folds, but what if the poster had been folded after it had been trimmed? Again, check against the artwork on a full version, as follows ...  It seems to be quite common practice for quads to be trimmed in this way for framing by collectors who have access to standard 1-sheet frames. In both these instances, there's an area of 'spare' space in the artwork which a non-serious collector might consider to be expendable! Hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 11:36:41 AM » |
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There is some re-pro Bond Quads kicking about, the couple I saw were very good copy's. The disconcerting thing was some are even 40"x30"!! be aware...
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 12:11:46 PM » |
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There is some re-pro Bond Quads kicking about, the couple I saw were very good copy's. The disconcerting thing was some are even 40"x30"!! be aware...
Can you recall any titles, Paul? If they're 30" x 40" we'll be needing some other way to spot 'em! I know on several occasions, I have seen (for example) GOLDFINGER repro's advertised as 30" x 40" when, in fact, they're just plain old 36" x 27" VinMag jobbies, so have you actually seen any full-size 30" x 40" repros in the flesh, as it were? Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 12:47:10 PM » |
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Goldfinger was one of the 40x30's I saw, and there was quite a few of them. At first glance they looked Very good, but once you have a look at the paper you can tell they aren't right. What gets me is, fold them up correctly (as they were laid flat) and 5/10 years up the road someone will/may fall for them as the real deal. The other titles I can recall as being 40x30 are Dr No, and From Russia with Love. The print quality was much better than those Hammer re-pro's that are kicking about.
Thinking about this, (As I walked away from them and never give them a second glance, because I'm only interested in Originals.) I'm now thinking it maybe a good idea to photograph poster's we come across that are copy's, or re-pro's, or what ever. As a photo maybe very useful...
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 01:27:35 PM » |
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Goldfinger was one of the 40x30's I saw, and there was quite a few of them. At first glance they looked Very good, but once you have a look at the paper you can tell they aren't right. What gets me is, fold them up correctly (as they were laid flat) and 5/10 years up the road someone will/may fall for them as the real deal. The other titles I can recall as being 40x30 are Dr No, and From Russia with Love. The print quality was much better than those Hammer re-pro's that are kicking about.
Thinking about this, (As I walked away from them and never give them a second glance, because I'm only interested in Originals.) I'm now thinking it maybe a good idea to photograph poster's we come across that are copy's, or re-pro's, or what ever. As a photo maybe very useful...
Yeah, if they are selling cheap it might be worth taking up a collection (I would chip in) for them. That way they can be used for authentication purposes and published online next to the originals. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 01:36:58 PM » |
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Hi, Harry! Despite the claim on eMovie that THE THING doesn't appear to have been trimmed, I would suggest that on this occasion, they are mistaken. The correct full-sized 30" x 40" quad clearly shows a larger border above the textline at the top of the poster. Compare this image with the one on eMovie ... We have never seen an under-sized MOONRAKER. I understand your point about the position of the folds, but what if the poster had been folded after it had been trimmed? Again, check against the artwork on a full version, as follows ... It seems to be quite common practice for quads to be trimmed in this way for framing by collectors who have access to standard 1-sheet frames. In both these instances, there's an area of 'spare' space in the artwork which a non-serious collector might consider to be expendable! Hope this is helpful. Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.ukThanks Terry, this is exactly the type of info I was looking for. The Moonraker quad in question is definitely missing the top three inches. The bottom looks good and all the printers info is intact. I know it was also fairly common at different time periods to trim quads to 27x40. Ive read that was for use in the underground but I'm not sure that's accurate. I do know that almost every LALD and NSNA advance I come across is trimmed at the top. Odd, given that they are about a decade apart... Anyway, as mentioned the most perplexing part is the folds. The poster looks unused so if it was trimmed (by either a collector or someone displaying it) it doesn't make sense to fold it after the fact. I'll probably get some good photos for future reference and the send it back. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 02:45:09 PM » |
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Hi, Matt! Thanks for your reponse. I must admit in many cases I share your uncertainty about the London Underground trim situation and, as a rule, if a poster exists anywhere in the full 30" x 40" format, then that's the one I'd be happy with. Only when it becomes evident that all examples of a certain title have been produced in some strange size, that's the only time I'd really be happy accepting a variation from the full dimensions. For example, as far as I am aware, all JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS quads are slightly under-sized. We haven't seen huge numbers of them, but all the ones we have seen have been under-sized in both dimensions - and, ironically, because of the framing of the artwork, they look as if they HAVE been trimmed! However, in the absence of a full 30" x 40" example appearing, I'll accept them as the 'official' UK quad for that title. There are other titles where similar variations occur. However, in the case of THE THING and MOONRAKER, as we know they are usually correctly sized, then anything smaller seems likely to have been trimmed after printing. Best wishes. Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 03:00:59 PM » |
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Terry seems to have pretty much said everything. However, the two different Moonraker (regular version) quads can vary ever-so-slightly in size, and I mean slightly! Just thought you should know!  |
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 03:27:08 PM » |
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If it helps, I have a Moonraker quad is exactly like this. I got into a bit of a row with Heritage about it when it arrived, since their description said Quad 30x40 and clearly it wasn't. They were just on the verge of refunding me when they got back and said after checking it was a London Underground version and legitimately printed that way rather than cropped. Still left a bad taste with me and I haven't bought from them since unless it was too good to not spite my face about. I have acquired a couple more London Underground variations, like my 27x40 Style A (No Ewoks) Return of the Jedi, also folded in the middle rather than the offset you would expect if it was cropped. I always feel uncomfortable with alleged London Underground versions though and prefer to avoid them. Quads as 30x40 is reliably precise most of the time, though occasionally I have seen them slightly over size rather than under when talking minor variations.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 03:50:32 PM » |
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There are a couple of Quads over size, the style C You only live Twice, and Time and again spring to mind. my Land that time forgot Quad is over an 1/8 bigger all round.
Going from memory my Jason and the Argonaughts is only Half an inch out one way measuring 40x29 1/2 can you remember what dimensions those others were Terry?
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 03:56:45 PM » |
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"They were just on the verge of refunding me when they got back and said after checking it was a London Underground version and legitimately printed that way rather than cropped."
Are you saying that at that point they REFUSED to refund you? That astounds me, since it was still not the poster they said it was. Or did you just decide to give up at that point?
I don't get it, because they could have just refunded you and auctioned it properly described, and their consignor might have lost a little, but he would have deserved to, and they wouldn't have lost a good customer.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 06:27:17 PM » |
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Are'nt some of the Evil Dead quads just under 30 x 40?
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 07:53:08 PM » |
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"They were just on the verge of refunding me when they got back and said after checking it was a London Underground version and legitimately printed that way rather than cropped."
Are you saying that at that point they REFUSED to refund you? That astounds me, since it was still not the poster they said it was. Or did you just decide to give up at that point? To be fair and less libelous, they did offer to refund when I complained on the size, then came back to me to assure me it was genuine but an Underground version, but did not withdraw the offer to refund. I wasn’t entirely convinced on the size debate but you never know when your next Moonraker is going to come along and the price I got it for wasn’t that bad so I decided to suck it up. I could have got a refund, that bad taste comes from the inaccurate description but it was my decision to stick with it. Of course it continues to bug me so probably should have taken the refund. Every time a Moonraker quad comes up I have to have the argument with myself, how much do I want to pay for another 3 inches? I will leave that statement to the Carry On crowd… |
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2011, 09:34:45 AM » |
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Every time a Moonraker quad comes up I have to have the argument with myself, how much do I want to pay for another 3 inches?
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2011, 12:08:14 PM » |
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Are'nt some of the Evil Dead quads just under 30 x 40?
Quite right CJ, there was a video release at the same time as the film was released in the Cinemas. What quite a lot don't know is there's a full 40x30 of this poster, which is the Cinema one. The smaller was mainly for video stores. However people still pay big money for the smaller version...  |
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2011, 12:13:42 PM » |
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There are a couple of Quads over size, the style C You only live Twice, and Time and again spring to mind. my Land that time forgot Quad is over an 1/8 bigger all round.
Going from memory my Jason and the Argonaughts is only Half an inch out one way measuring 40x29 1/2 can you remember what dimensions those others were Terry?
Hi, Paul & others! All three versions of the YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE quad occur in the untrimmed/oversized state at 31" x 41" approx. Not sure if by TIME AND AGAIN you mean TIME AFTER TIME which is not over-sized - in fact, it's one of the quads which regularly appears in the under-sized 'London Underground' format - our last one was 27" x 39" approx. The RETURN OF THE JEDI 'London Underground' version is definitely not simply the standard one which has been cropped. The full 30" x 40" version has a FEREF ASSOCIATES credit running vertically up the right edge. This doesn't appear on the cropped version so it is definitely a different print-run. Paul - could you check your JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS - I think you will find it is always slightly under-sized at 29" x 39.5" approx - not trimmed, just an unusual size. Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2011, 01:00:41 PM » |
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Hey Terry, quite right Time after time and it is over size by 1/4" in the hight.
The Jason Quad which took some finding 39 7/8"x29 3/16", I recon if I pull the folds a bit it may make the 40"x 29 1/4"
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2011, 01:11:05 PM » |
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Hey Terry, quite right Time after time and it is over size by 1/4" in the hight.
The Jason Quad which took some finding 39 7/8"x29 3/16", I recon if I pull the folds a bit it may make the 40"x 29 1/4"
Thanks, Paul! I'd guess that TIME AFTER TIME is just one of many that were simply inaccurately guillotined at the printers - as we've said many thimes previously, they weren't printing currency, just posters! Variations of anything up to a quarter-inch or so in either direction would be considered par for the course. The JASON dimensions are interesting and apparently belie my long held belief that they were always smaller than that. If you are able to post an image for reference that would be good - but if you've already returned it to the vault, don't worry! Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 01:17:32 PM » |
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I'll go get it back out Terry, Do you have a pic of the one's you've sold, as if there's a difference I'll post some pics of them both showing any differences closer up...
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2011, 09:47:49 AM » |
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Quite right CJ, there was a video release at the same time as the film was released in the Cinemas. What quite a lot don't know is there's a full 40x30 of this poster, which is the Cinema one. The smaller was mainly for video stores.
Paul, Does this mean a full-size Evil Dead quad has turned up now? Like other people have said in previous discussions, I always thought Palace Pictures used the same poster for the concurrent theatrical and video release. Ditto for ‘Diva’ in the same year, although I’m not sure anybody’s mentioned that title before. Would be interested to know if there are definitely 30x40 quads for either of these titles, and also if there’s any difference in the artwork. Thanks, Paul |
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2011, 09:54:45 AM » |
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I'll go get it back out Terry, Do you have a pic of the one's you've sold, as if there's a difference I'll post some pics of them both showing any differences closer up...
Thanks, Paul! This is one which we currently have in stock ...  ... as you can see, the edges have the appearance of having been trimmed, but I have seen other examples of this poster and they all looked like this! I look forward to comparing this image with yours when convenient. Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 10:00:45 AM » |
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Paul, Does this mean a full-size Evil Dead quad has turned up now? Would be interested to know if there are definitely 30x40 quads for either of these titles, and also if there’s any difference in the artwork.
Thanks,
Paul
Hi, Pauls! All the EVIL DEAD 'quads' which we have ever handled have been 39" x 28" approx. Best wishes, Terry - www.quadbod.co.uk |
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2011, 02:21:11 PM » |
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Yes, the Evil Dead had a Cinema release poster of 30x40 and is exactly the same artwork, but with a white border. I have both versions, but I think my White border version is in the loft.... It hasn't "just" turned up I've had it for maybe 15 years. I'm in the middle of decorating the house, but as soon as I get time, I will go looking in the loft, and post a pic on the board.
Terry, do you have a high res image you could send to my email of the Jason Quad?
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2011, 03:10:56 PM » |
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Terry, do you have a high res image you could send to my email of the Jason Quad?
Hi, Paul! I have e-mailed you off-forum and added images to your album. Best wishes, Terry |
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