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« Reply #11125 on: February 06, 2024, 12:13:25 AM »
It went unsold.

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« Reply #11126 on: February 07, 2024, 10:15:20 PM »
look out for Pawn Stars xmas special where one of these will be valued at $800

I just checked the Cinemasterpieces eBay store and sure enough they're listed at $895. faint2.gif

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« Reply #11127 on: February 07, 2024, 10:29:44 PM »
For some reasons, this Elf poster really rubs me the wrong way.  Hopefully it is the real deal, but I don't know.  Does anyone who collects the title got it at the time of release?

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« Reply #11128 on: February 07, 2024, 10:48:49 PM »
The artwork was used on the British quads as shown at pastposters.com https://www.pastposters.com/details.php?prodId=1957 .  It's reasonable to assume that the artwork was used on one sheets also.

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« Reply #11129 on: February 08, 2024, 12:38:15 AM »
Yeah, but they're different.  Different title composition, single sided, cropped, credits super close to margin, no release date... just don't feel right to me.  I'd love to know if anyone spends $800 on that.  $20, maybe, but $800 hahaha.  Although Dave has proven us wrong before,  I remember the debate over Pretty Woman.  I think they sell for a little bit of money now.

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« Reply #11130 on: February 08, 2024, 01:38:50 AM »
Hmm the image looks uncropped, except the tree in the lower right.  Of course one sheets sometimes require a little cropping to fit the vertical format.  The credits aren't crazy close to the edge; there's still enough space so they wouldn't be covered by a frame.  It looks ok to me.  Maybe Bruce or someone else can confirm.
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« Reply #11131 on: February 08, 2024, 11:08:20 AM »
It's all a matter of opinion, kinda like the ESB intl., which I believe is real and some don't.  Cinemasterpieces mentions the Elf could be Lebanese but doesn't believe it is.  Again matter of opinion.  It doesn't look right to me, but if it does to you, by all means, buy one and let us know.

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« Reply #11132 on: February 08, 2024, 02:10:33 PM »
buy one and let us know.

Maybe if I find one for a lil less than the Cinemaster Price of $895...although it doesn't seem likely that will happen if no others have been known to exist since the film was released in 2003 and these are the first known copies.  thumbsup.gif
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« Reply #11133 on: February 08, 2024, 03:54:15 PM »
Pretty darn good results at PropStore.  All these lots sold for between the high end of the fairly high IMO estimates, to several times the high end of the estimates.  It would have been more interesting to see what they would've sold for individually, and maybe these results will compel them to have individual listings next time.  Hopefully we'll start seeing more stuff like this at the fancy auction houses.




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« Reply #11134 on: February 08, 2024, 04:10:18 PM »
I like to see video posters getting appreciation, I’m very fond and nostalgic for many of them from the late 80s. My kids find it fascinating when I describe the process of going to the store to choose a film or two, then having to return them after you’d watched them. They’re spoiled with the ease of access to content these days!

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« Reply #11135 on: February 08, 2024, 04:41:30 PM »
I ended up not bidding on anything.  I had my eyes on that Marler Haley's Empire Strikes Back set, but I already own 3 posters out of the set and didn't want to pay $8k for the two remaining posters.  I did that with the Star Wars set.

Because I do not believe in signatures, do not buy linen and am very strict when it comes to condition, 80% of the sale was not for me, which makes it easy :))

I also think that their estimates were a little crazy.  To not be willing to sell the Star Wars Marler Haley for less than $8k is nuts to me.  I think it went up to $6k (which would have been a little more than $7k with fees) and did not sell (???)  I don't know who did the estimates, if Grey was involved, but there were a few jaw droppers for sure.

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« Reply #11136 on: February 08, 2024, 04:51:24 PM »
Yeah it's good to be ambitious but as you said, when the reserve is so high, that's a little ridiculous.  Btw not to say anyone in particular did this, but often when no one has bid high enough to meet the reserve, the auctioneer says they have bids - bids that are actually non-existent, hoping someone will bid against the non-existent bid to meet the reserve.

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« Reply #11137 on: February 08, 2024, 04:53:21 PM »
I like to see video posters getting appreciation, I’m very fond and nostalgic for many of them from the late 80s. My kids find it fascinating when I describe the process of going to the store to choose a film or two, then having to return them after you’d watched them. They’re spoiled with the ease of access to content these days!

What a different time.  Don't forget "be kind, please rewind." I miss the local Blockbusters and the mom and pop places.

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« Reply #11138 on: February 08, 2024, 05:39:32 PM »
Yeah it's good to be ambitious but as you said, when the reserve is so high, that's a little ridiculous.  Btw not to say anyone in particular did this, but often when no one has bid high enough to meet the reserve, the auctioneer says they have bids - bids that are actually non-existent, hoping someone will bid against the non-existent bid to meet the reserve.

I wasn’t aware of this repugnant practice.  Is that why so many bids stopped right under the reserve?  Is this legal?

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« Reply #11139 on: February 08, 2024, 07:51:50 PM »
That’s called “bidding off the wall” in the UK. It’s of no consequence really so long as the auctioneer never bids over the reserve.

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« Reply #11140 on: February 08, 2024, 08:41:28 PM »
I disagree, Mark.  They obviously do it for a reason.  To show there is interest and prompt people to bid.  If anyone is on the fence about something and see that no one is bidding, they might not either.  If they see "people" bidding, they might think that they are onto something and bid more.  It's psychological, and therefore I don't think it's of no consequence.  I think it's wrong.

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« Reply #11141 on: February 08, 2024, 09:33:47 PM »
ML's term is much more polite than what most folks call it: shill bidding.  There are various strategies. 

Some auction houses will have shill bids to keep compelling an actual bidder to reach the reserve the consignor set.  If they're getting close but stop bidding, the auction house employees might call the consignor to see if they want to sell at the lower price, and sometimes offer to reduce the commission the auction house takes. 

The auction house might also make the consignor responsible for the shill bids, thus the bids are the consignor's, and if they win, they'll have an agreement that they only have to pay a reduced buyer's premium of the "sale."  Then the item might appear in the "make an offer" option to folks after the "sale."
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« Reply #11142 on: February 09, 2024, 02:43:09 AM »
"bidding of the wall" is totally legal in many countries and common.  It is usually specified in the terms of agreement.  All auction houses are practicing bidding of the wall, so indeed setting the reserve right is the most important.    "shill bidding" is a common practice also; it is similar to "bidding of the wall"...

I think the only difference is that "bidding of the wall" is more or less regulated or official (done by professional companies with clear terms, no hiding) while "shill bidding" underlines someone is hiding or using fake profile, etc. to inflate price. 

Note that shill bidding is also very common; many collectors/shops will bid on items they own, only to ensure that price remains high and their stock get a higher value.  Shill bidding is annoying for sure, even more annoying when allied it with stock control.

For expense stuff/fine art, auction houses partner with underwriters/fine art insurances.  They are the one setting the reserve price (they need to do it for insurance purpose; we are talking big money here, 1M+) and they are doing the bidding of the wall to meet the set reserve. They are OK taking all liability; some underwriters will even go further, guaranteeing a sale (meaning if not sold, they will buy it at reserve). For sure, sellers appreciate this.    In fine art, the insurances/underwriter are the one running the market and basically setting assets value - They will do the valuation, set the reserve price, guarantee a sale, buy the stuff if no sale, and redo an evaluation of client stock with inflated price;  this is great for companies to inflate their art assets without paying tax (let not forget, purchase of art for companies usually fall under special VAT regime (not taxed basically; only gain tax applies) and lastly fine art price are usually set in USD (just like the petrol or gold - Bretton Woods system). Well, art is perfect to clean dirty money and do other stuff...

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« Reply #11143 on: February 09, 2024, 06:37:46 AM »
The auctioneer's ultimate job is to create an exciting and enjoyable environment in which he can obtain the highest prices for his clients. There is often an initial reluctance by prospective bidders to open the bidding in a room auction and "bidding off the wall" up to the reserve is a way of warming up the potential bidders. There is nothing worse than the boredom of waiting for someone to bid for a lot - multiple times. A good auctioneer will use his gravitas, specialist knowledge, charm, humour and yes, psychological tactics,  to achieve his objective.

Shill bidding is illegal.

The golden rule as everyone knows is to decide your maximum bid before the auction and not exeed it.

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« Reply #11144 on: February 09, 2024, 01:25:09 PM »
Technically it's two different things but in reality they're the same: driving the price to the reserve - stated reserve or hidden reserve.

A lot of venues have specific terms for essentially allowing shill bidding.  When someone registers to bid, they agree to the terms of that venue.  The legality is another issue that requires specific details for each case.

The auctioneers are often interesting and the atmosphere is fun.  A lot of folks don't know about the tactics the venues use to achieve the highest results for the consignors and themselves.  A lot of folks who know about all the tactics often play along with the game.
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« Reply #11145 on: February 09, 2024, 01:53:08 PM »
Another Nightmare on Elm Street UK video poster sold yesterday.  It was only listed for a few days.  The best offer was accepted at £350 = about $440.  It was in a little worse shape than the other one mentioned here but pretty good IMO.

130 point is a website to see what the best offer accepted was at eBay.  https://130point.com/sales/  Just enter the item's title in the search bar.

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« Reply #11146 on: February 09, 2024, 04:57:03 PM »
That's a really useful tool. Thank you for sharing it.

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« Reply #11147 on: February 16, 2024, 02:27:28 PM »
Sometimes I recognize the bidder names at eMovie but I don't think I've seen this one: "APFposterwhore"   coffee https://auctions.emovieposter.com/Bidding.taf?_function=detail&Auction_uid1=6699336

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« Reply #11148 on: February 16, 2024, 03:00:50 PM »
Hahaha... that's funny!  Good catch!  I never look at bidders names because I don't want to not bid on something bc I recognize someone's name.  I actually wish Bruce would make it anonymous like HA.  Much better imo.

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« Reply #11149 on: February 16, 2024, 10:01:56 PM »
Yeah haha I think a few APF names have been there.  I like to know or at least potentially have an idea who I'm bidding against. 

I preferred it on eBay also.  Some people would see who bought fakes and what not and would email them to let them know.  It's also fun to see familiar names - dealers, homies from APF, etc.
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