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Re: Star Wars posters!
« Reply #950 on: July 26, 2013, 09:01:22 PM »

Some new interesting information we have learned about the Star Wars Style A 77/21-0 Printer's Proofs.

And for those of you who don't like the term "Printer's Proof", save your complaining for another thread please. Our client who was there when they were actually printed refers to them as printer's proofs.


STAR WARS STYLE A 1SH "FIRST OF THE FIRST" FIRST PRINTING 77/21-0 PMS COLOR VARIANT PRINTER'S PROOF

 
First, a little background information:

Gore Graphics was a printing company used by the movie studios and the National Screen Service (NSS) from the 1970's to the early 1990's. They printed original movie posters, press books, etc. Gore was acquired by another company in the 1990's.

The Star Wars style A one sheet was officially printed at least 5 separate times at a few different authorized print shops during the first theatrical run of Star Wars in 1977. This is evidenced by the differences that can be seen on the bottom borders of the one sheets. It has been well established by other experts, dealers and collectors over the years that the one sheets with NSS number 77/21-0 were printed first before all others.

In July 2013 we had an extensive conversation with Mark, a former employee of Gore Graphics in the 1970's and 80's. Like other former employees at Gore we have worked with over the years, Mark was allowed to take home posters from time to time. He has placed on consignment with us several Star Wars printer's proof one sheets. While meeting with Mark we became aware of a rare PMS color variant printer's proof for the Star Wars Style A one sheet first printing 77/21-0. Mark carefully explained about these PMS proofs being the "first of the first" Star Wars style A one sheets.

CMYK stands for Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black. These are the primary colors used in printing. Varying the quantities of these colors creates an endless array of colors to print.

PMS stands for Pantone Matching System (PMS). PMS is a simpler system for printers to use. PMS colors can streamline the process of printing and cut down on cost. There can be so much variation in color using CMYK that Pantone is sometimes used to help create consistent color. This way a printer can consistently print from job to job.

These "first of the first" PMS proofs were printed before the CMYK proofs. Four colors (plates) were used for both the PMS and CMYK proofs. The PMS process produced a result that was unacceptable to those in charge (probably George Lucas) so Gore changed to a standard CMYK process for the subsequent print run which was finally deemed acceptable. All other print runs used this CMYK process (as far as we know) making the PMS color proofs much rarer than any CMYK proofs.

The PMS proofs are significantly different. When comparing the CMYK and PMS proofs side by side, the easiest way to tell the difference is by looking at the color bars. The PMS proofs have orange included in the color bar, CMYK has yellow.


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Re: Star Wars posters!
« Reply #951 on: July 26, 2013, 11:08:39 PM »
Come on, show don't tell:



Is the color on the PMS (left) any better?
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Re: Star Wars posters!
« Reply #952 on: July 26, 2013, 11:12:18 PM »
No, the color is not any better, but it is different. Luke and Leia look like they have a fake spray tan.

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« Reply #953 on: July 27, 2013, 12:37:37 AM »
Ugh - will never get the fascination with these and their kaleidoscopic, off-centering right sides...
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« Reply #954 on: July 27, 2013, 03:43:51 AM »

And for those of you who don't like the term "Printer's Proof", save your complaining for another thread please.


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« Reply #955 on: July 27, 2013, 03:45:00 PM »
I guess I will never join the Dark Side.. I don't like the films or posters. Managed (just about) to watch RETURN OF  THE JEDI today...

I shall say no more. Hope you guys enjoy the posters..all yours.! :)

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« Reply #956 on: July 27, 2013, 03:56:29 PM »
Bleh!  $3,000 for four unexceptional photo double crowns at HA sig auction:

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« Reply #957 on: July 27, 2013, 04:25:27 PM »
Bleh!  $3,000 for four unexceptional photo double crowns at HA sig auction:



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« Reply #958 on: July 28, 2013, 12:46:54 AM »
Star Wars fans spend loot.
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« Reply #959 on: July 29, 2013, 07:00:03 AM »
Least one has Peter Cushing on it :)

I went to a new vintage collectables store in town the other day, asked of she had any movie posters, she said not many, only Star Wars, ahh well. ;)

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« Reply #960 on: July 29, 2013, 12:26:47 PM »
Least one has Peter Cushing on it :)

I went to a new vintage collectables store in town the other day, asked of she had any movie posters, she said not many, only Star Wars, ahh well. ;)



And Dave Prowes, it's like a Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell re-union... :D
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« Reply #961 on: July 29, 2013, 09:10:58 PM »
Ha yes!
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« Reply #962 on: August 30, 2013, 11:10:05 AM »
I got two signatures added to my Return of the Jedi Poster, pictures:






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« Reply #963 on: August 30, 2013, 05:55:47 PM »
I got two signatures added to my Return of the Jedi Poster, pictures:




Did she touch you on your special bits in a hotel room afterward? She's been known to do that at many a convention/signing/whatever...
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« Reply #964 on: August 30, 2013, 09:23:26 PM »
You say that like it's a bad thing. ...

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« Reply #965 on: August 30, 2013, 09:50:38 PM »
You say that like it's a bad thing. ...

Circa 1983, I would be supportive of it. 2013? Nah...
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« Reply #966 on: August 31, 2013, 12:47:21 AM »
Dcollins85

Nice additions to a nice poster!

Did she touch you on your special bits in a hotel room afterward? She's been known to do that at many a convention/signing/whatever...

I think these days shes more prone to covering you with glitter. Got this signed a couple of weeks ago by her and then both the poster and myself were covered by her in glitter. She has little cups of glitter with her that she picks it up out of, sprinkles it on pictures and then in our case covered the better half in it putting it in her hair and all over my face and neck. It is like we were being anointed with it. She was extremely nice actually comical when I tried to pass on the glitter application, a lot of fun. We are still finding glitter two weeks later. I actually left it on the poster and framed it that way. It actually looks good on the blue background. When the light hits it right it looks like a star field.

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« Reply #967 on: August 31, 2013, 01:26:31 AM »
I didn't want her to personalize mine to me, but I wished she would of signed it "Carrie Fisher - Princess Leia" or something to that effect. Beggars can't be choosers though, I am happy with it and can't wait until David Prowse comes to Winnipeg November 1st - 3rd. I get the pleasure of giving the introduction for his Q & A session and we're having the local 501st escort him in. I'm so going to kneel with the microphone held up to him. *nerdgasm* lmao

I also already purchased my ticket to 2015 Star Wars Celebration in California. Bet your behind I will be taking all 3 posters in hopes of getting some very nice signatures.

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« Reply #968 on: August 31, 2013, 04:50:10 AM »
I usually ask the "celebrity" to write what I want when getting signatures, 90% gladly do it, with the odd one or two saying they must dedicate the piece as an "anti-ebay" kind of thing.. I usually reply Bollocks, it makes no difference... 

Here's a couple of examples, sorry not from Star Wars though...



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« Reply #969 on: August 31, 2013, 10:20:57 AM »
Very nice! David Prowse likes to sign his as "Dave Prowse IS Darth Vader" as an insult to injury over the George Lucas and James Earl Jones debacle. George Lucas and David Prowse argue so much about David not getting the credit he feels he deserves that George banned him from future official Star Wars Celebrations. Regardless, I still am going to ask if he could sign it "You don't know the power of the Dark Side!"

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« Reply #970 on: August 31, 2013, 12:53:38 PM »
I'm sure he will, I've met Dave 7/8 times, and he's a great guy to talk to. He signed my Frankenstein and the monster from Hell Quad, and added "the Monster from Hell". He dose get a bit touchy when you mention the rift. though it's more frustration I think..  Any others going?  Kenny Baker is great fun, so down to earth...

If you check out my Autograph thread, you'll see at least one of my other DP signatures signed just as you say.


I did get Gerry Anderson to sign, "I pull all the strings"...
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« Reply #971 on: August 31, 2013, 06:41:37 PM »
What's your take on uncredited actors signing something of yours? For example, Corey Dee Williams and Stephen Costantino, both were close friends of Billy Dee Williams but aren't in the credits themselves for Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. Stephen Costantino was a Gamorrean Guard, Corey Dee Williams was a stunt double for Billy Dee Williams ( they are related ) and he also played one of Jabba the Hutts guards ( Klaatu ).

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« Reply #972 on: August 31, 2013, 07:13:49 PM »
What's your take on uncredited actors signing something of yours? For example, Corey Dee Williams and Stephen Costantino, both were close friends of Billy Dee Williams but aren't in the credits themselves for Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. Stephen Costantino was a Gamorrean Guard, Corey Dee Williams was a stunt double for Billy Dee Williams ( they are related ) and he also played one of Jabba the Hutts guards ( Klaatu ).

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« Reply #973 on: August 31, 2013, 07:15:22 PM »
Do what makes YOU happy. Nothing else matters.

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« Reply #974 on: August 31, 2013, 08:56:19 PM »
Oh I am going to get them to sign it, I was just curious how you guys viewed it. They're uncredited so it's kinda like "who are they?" ya know.