DreamWarrior, it never fails, at least once or twice a year, some random thread will take several pages of turns that delve into the most dramatic and random commentary. While it is entertaining and sometimes insightful, our musings here can really distort a thread's initial intentions, especially a good one that you started...so sorry about that.
Still, there are great points to be made here, and I hope you are finding the answers you were/are after here amongst the muck and the mire.
Us poster nerds are passionate about our paper...and at the end of the day, its a good thing.