Sellers to Avoid

[eatbrie]

This is my personal list of sellers I WILL NEVER buy from.  Feel free to add to the list.

Not recommended by anyone
Moviegoods - All bad!
Egbert - Fakes fakes fakes fakes and a few originals
Bradburied - Fakes fakes fakes fakes and a few originals
Tloceposters - Fakes fakes fakes fakes and a few originals
Rokmodataol - Fakes fakes fakes fakes and a few originals

Personal bad experience
Thebeatlesforsale for Japanese posters: Totally overpriced and a jerk.

T

[spacething]

Thanks for starting this thread.  There was a similar thread on MPF and I found it to be great reference.

[eatbrie]

Egbert:
Dragonbirdlw - Avoid, avoid, avoid.
Movieposterbargains - Same

[kovacs01]

Mid-Hudson Auction Galleries.  Do not touch them.  I have been embroiled since late April in a dispute over a $200 something item they did not send me.  The thing is, they admit that they have the item and that they sent it to the wrong address and it came back damaged.  But, so sorry, your money has already been given to the consignor.  Supposedly, 6 weeks ago, they were filing a claim with the shipper and would pay me when the money came back.  Lately they have stopped responding to emails though.  I bet they respond to the one I just sent........

[Ari]

to be fair, Moviegoods might be a swear word, but I have had nothing but good experience with them, if you read the description and know what you are buying. They Do describe repros as repros (or at leat used to, its been a few years), I bought a lot a few years ago, the one problem was I felt the items were over graded, they gave me a full refund and let me keep the items, all within 24 hours, no questions.
I understand people hating they steal images and make posters, but the grey line is crossed by everyone who sells original posters... (ever read the NSS text?).
Kinda playing devils advocate.
but really if you approach them, as they are, a business, they are their to make a buck, do your research, know what your buying, I find them less offensive than dealers who bid on their own items, or their staff, or dealers making false claims, or the countless other things anyone can do.

[Dread_Pirate_Mel]

to be fair, Moviegoods might be a swear word, but I have had nothing but good experience with them, if you read the description and know what you are buying. They Do describe repros as repros (or at leat used to, its been a few years), I bought a lot a few years ago, the one problem was I felt the items were over graded, they gave me a full refund and let me keep the items, all within 24 hours, no questions.
I understand people hating they steal images and make posters, but the grey line is crossed by everyone who sells original posters... (ever read the NSS text?).
Kinda playing devils advocate.
but really if you approach them, as they are, a business, they are their to make a buck, do your research, know what your buying, I find them less offensive than dealers who bid on their own items, or their staff, or dealers making false claims, or the countless other things anyone can do.

It's true they don't flat out lie but they are very tricksy.  They never use the term "reproduction" but use "new" instead.  

Scanning and reproducing posters without a license is blatant copyright theft and 100% illegal.  Disney & Fox recently forced them to stop selling repros of their posters.  See the Moviegoods thread here.

So all in all they are stone cold evil.  Somebody told me they recently abandoned their Las Vegas warehouse.  So we'll see what happens to them.

[Ari]

again, check the NSS line at the bottom of your one sheet, do you tape off TV?  tear the label off a mattress?
I DO not condone them, just don't particularly think they are EVIL. its a business, and the difference is, as people learn, that and dealers who care about the product, but the same as going to the big chain supermarket to buy a lettuce and going to your local green grocer, one sells things, the other sells things that he knows and cares about.
Call me an old socialist lefty pinko whatever, but to me, "stealing" off disney or fox, causes me exactly ZERO lost sleep (not that I do it, I mean that people do).
I care more about some dick called QT and his joke Inglorious Beyyatches etc, stealing from struggling film makers, (Oh I forget he paid to use the name - still one struggles, one walks the red carpet).

[AdamCarterJones]

As long as the people who are noted as selling fakes or reprints as originals are proven to do so, then all is good. 
I only say that because some people do get ahead of themselves at times and say things with no truth to it. 

Anyway, is there a list of all the names Greg Egbert uses?
I will guess and say there maybe one on MPF somewhere from a while back??
Or has this list already been added on APF somewhere??

I agree with Ari, but on a more general viewpoint.
If you know what you are buying, and have confidence in your own ability in getting a full refund if not happy with a purchase (no matter who the seller), then you can't lose really, well, apart from your time that is!

Don't get me wrong, I do not agree when sellers advertise reprints or fakes as originals. That is just criminal. Literally.
I also find it rather unforgiving when a seller states a poster is not original in a long-winded explanation of the poster; one in which you have to really look for the clues, but that is fair play to the seller as it is a business technique, and one that unfortunately works.

Has anyone here ever seen the eBay seller 'artsnotdead'?
artsnotdead eBay About Page

This seller is blatantly infringing on the copyright of many artists etc.
Just have a look at the items they sell ...
artsnotdead Items

I do not believe for one moment this company has a licence to reprint ANY of the images they use.
I mean, look at this ...
OHMSS Concept Poster Print
This was a concept design for OHMSS ... There is NO WAY this company has a licence to reprint this poster!
And this is just one of the thousands of items they sell.

They do say some items are canvas prints, but they don't say that for everything ...
artsnotdead Vintage Movie Posters

Interesting, eh!? ...

[stewart boyle]

A good read Bondposters,but im always puzzled as to what the issue here is,anybody who has a brain must surely know that a Wizard of Oz for example is going to cost alot more than 8 quid.
These type of reprints are popular with students,people on a budget,impulse buyers etc.
No serious collector is ever going to get stung by these.
Even a novice as myself would never be fooled into thinking ive bagged an original vintage poster for less than 40 cigs.
In my opinion reprints are fine because they are what they are,there is no deception involved,all websites somewhere or other do state that these things are not original.

Stew

[AdamCarterJones]

Hey Stew,

I agree, reprints are fine ...

The issue here is that 'artsnotdead' is blatantly ripping off the copyright holders to the images they reproduce and sometimes do not state when one of their items is not an original, whether it be a movie poster or something else.

I completely understand what you say about being intelligent enough to realise what you are buying, but some buyers, those who are not like us and do not collect movie memorabilia, are still being ripped off as some of the detail in the auction/BIN pages offer no real evidence that the item is an actual reprint. Us lot, of course, know the difference.

If this company has a licence for the reproduction of the images they use, then needless to say, some of what I have said should be completely ignored, but I doubt they have one of any kind. In which case, I personally hope eBay come down on this company with a sledge hammer.

It annoys me in a way that I see & hear of some sellers auctions being pulled from eBay because of copyright violations, when selling original items, yet companies like 'artsnotdead' can trade freely and in such high numbers ... It's crazy.

[stewart boyle]

Yeah Bondposters,thats true .
I think maybe we make assumptions that people are being "ripped off" by companies selling repros.
Im not saying it never happens,but there is the old adage "buyer beware".
You run your own website,and in the UK you have to make sure the item you are selling is described properly,or you will be liable for any shortcomings.
Again,when i read thru artisnotdead they make it very clear that none of the items they sell are what the general community would describe as "original",but this term is also open to wide interpretation.
As i understand it,here in the uk any intellectual property copyright protection expires after 50 years so many of the most sought after images should be able to be reproduced without fear of prosecution after this time span.??
Your info would be helpful.
Stew

on a light hearted note....my name is Ron Burgundy?

[AdamCarterJones]

Hey Stew, just a quick reply because I'm working - Will reply properly when I finish.

I'm not sure on the 50 year rights rule for images ... I know it applies to music.
Even if it did apply to images, how could 'artsnotdead' reprint any of the James Bond posters when Dr. No isn't even 50??
I'll ask one of my mates about the 50 year rule etc; he's a lawyer involved in the film industry, see what he says, or hopefully one of the lawyers on here can expand on it all. 

[stewart boyle]

No worries Bondposters,, I managed to get the info today,incase you missed your mate.
The 50 year rule does apply to music,in respect of photgraphic and printed images,its until the death of the original author plus 70years!!.


Stew

[Tang Lung in Rome]

movieposterbargains.....nothing but a f-in pain in the neck , wish Iron Sheik would humble him and Cloutier 

[Tang Lung in Rome]

I asked a dealer if he wanted to sell me a Bond poster for 150 euros , he replied *yes , you can*.....then I paypal him the money and then he tells me he did not agree....sorry mac but when you replied *yes , you can* then you agreed to the deal.

Honorable thing is to follow thru , its kinda impolite treating people like that

[brude]

I asked a dealer if he wanted to sell me a Bond poster for 150 euros , he replied *yes , you can*.....then I paypal him the money and then he tells me he did not agree....sorry mac but when you replied *yes , you can* then you agreed to the deal.

Honorable thing is to follow thru , its kinda impolite treating people like that

Can you share the dealer's name, Tang Lung?
Ebay seller?

[Gimpy]

Hey guys I had to register here (and hopefully will be an active member to this awesome place, so much good info here!) to reinforce the views on Egbert (dealing with him under movieposterbargains) by sharing my first, and last experience with him.

I wanted to buy a few different posters, most notably the Inception one he has for sale right now, which after coming here and reading up a bit on him I am skeptical as to weather or not they're originals. I recently ordered 2 Inception posters from another seller for a GREAT deal but they arrived trashed so I have to find others. So I asked if there was a way I could get discount shipping and pay for them individually. Basically meaning if I wanted to buy 2 posters, I would pay for one plus the main shipping cost, then the other immediately after with the extra shipping, so 2 payments. I asked this because I have 2 different sources of funding I was going to use through PayPal. Direct transfer from a bank account and a credit card. Not an outrageous request right?

Well after it taking MANY back and forth messages over 2 days trying to explain what I wanted to do I finally had to spell it out step by step. After doing so I was told it was some sort of "violation of PayPal regulations". Another few back and forth messages and I think he finally got it and then told me that, well let me quote it:

"wasting like 15 minutes of my time on like 20 dollars of stuff yeah that makes much more sense right trying to get me to do this time wasting stuff for 20 bucks of stuff when its ludicrously easy to avoid bothering me with"

Now sifting through the atrocious grammar he was basically telling me that my simple request as to send boom boom 2 quick invoices for 2 different products was a waste of his time, not worth the time, and a bother. I still get a kick out of the fact that he thinks 15 minutes isn't worth a sale, and he thinks that helping me pay for his product that I'm willing to buy is a waste of time. How do people of this IQ and poor business sense have the ability to own businesses and/or companies and make money. It baffles me beyond belief.

I honestly can't see how this guy makes any money when he's got this kind of attitude. Just goes to show how bad the world is I guess.

I've only just started buying movie posters, I'm not a collector so to speak but I will buy a bunch that I like and put them up, and I have to say I'm extremely thankful to have found this forum to avoid people like this guy.

[CSM]

I wonder just how many threads there are on the internet about Egbert?  Any bets?

[Ari]

at least 666

[CSM]

at least 666

Well I was going to say + or - 665 or 667

[CJ138]

"wasting like 15 minutes of my time on like 20 dollars of stuff yeah that makes much more sense right trying to get me to do this time wasting stuff for 20 bucks of stuff when its ludicrously easy to avoid bothering me with"

me fail english? thats unpossible!

[CJ138]

I think this guys picture says it all (along with his feedback)
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cinemaimages.com&&iid=370476464177&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

[Harry Caul]

Does anyone know collectiblesmemorabiliaetc on eBay?  Perfect feedback, but it sure looks like this Blade Runner insert is a minty white.  I asked for a closeup and was sent the below image.  If you look at the comparison on Dave's site it sure looks like a minty white to me.  Tricky though, as he has a lot of other inserts which wouldn't have been bootlegged and he is even selling a Star Wars insert that looks genuine... I can't tell if it is a genuine mistake or a shrewd sales tactic. 

[kovacs01]

I wouldnt touch it Harry.  There are very few people I would buy a mint looking rolled Blade Runner insert from, and a random ebay seller isnt one of them.  That isn't to say the guy is dishonest.  It's pretty possible he has no idea what a minty what it is how to distinguish one from an original.  Of course, it would be interesting to see what he would do if he was educated.  But in order to prove its a minty white, you would have to buy it first.  So its a catch 22 and not really worth the trouble.  Also worth noting is the item location (New York).  Obviously, these things have spread like a case of the at a swingers convention, but the epicenters are Rochester, NY and Claremore (Tulsa), OK.  Who knows how many comic/pawn/collectible shops that douche bag has been in hawking his wares.  Its probably reasonable to assume a higher frequency in these areas than anywhere else

[CSM]

Obviously, these things have spread like a case of the at a swingers convention,